Rules Discussion

[Manius]

Slim, first off I dont want you to think that I was dismissing you skill suggestion off hand. There will be Scout based, role playable skills (a tracking is one I'm working on). I just didnt want to force it too much and leave things more with the player.

Basically, watch this space for annoucements - the system currently "works" as a pure combat system with some minor RP elements, this will be expanded in the next few months.

As for sniper rifles - I still think it would be cheaper and easier to use something like the cheapsoft MB001 bolt action as a base and make it look like a lasgun version than convert a G36 through to completion.

FPS - I will be consulting with Airsoft people independantly on this issue and post a final choice shortly. 400-500fps? its going to be in that range I am sure.

Consultation continues.

[slimshady]

Making an AEG hit 500 is easy - making it reliable at 500 is a little more tricky but trust me, its not rocket science

The problem is that the law looks upon the original AEG and as thats designed to work on full auto regradless of what's subsequently done to the gearbox and as 500 = 2.3j then its "technically" section 5. Bit bloody stupid if you ask me because there's no difference in the impact energy between that and a 500fps Bolt action but since when did legislation have to make sense?

[slimshady]

Manius - its fine I was a little worried you thought i was advocating less RP - and I'm an RP nut

Converting a Bolt-action (especially cheapsoft) is a good option because essentially you don't need to touch the internals, leaving you plenty of time to throw Car Body Filler/Metal Plates/The Kitchen Sink at the externals. I did see a couple of scopes that also fit the bill if I can dig up the link....

[Cadet Commissar]

Thanks for that slim, I have more Q's on the Matter, (Not for me, I'm a useless shot, I can hit you once or twice with a mag at about 10m) I just want to get all the bases covered for Peeps that arnt that up on airsoft snipery.

Would Using a "Cosmetic" kit such as the SL9, and introducing your own internals (PSG1 style gearbox) get around that or is it always going to be the case that an AEG is full auto? I know that accuracy will always be a factor, but Cant this be improved with extra gubbins like the Tanoby twist or extra tigthtbore barrels and select BB's?

[slimshady]

Hrrm, thats a bloomin interesting question - especially the "does it constitute manufacturing an RIF" angle and I have to say I really don't know - however !

Upgraded AEG's can be really accurate - and you don't need to go to excessive power levels to get some very good results. I had a CA33 up to 1.35j and it was ridiculous - we're talking consistent 45/50m headshots with Marui .25's and a nice barrel so yeah - you can always improve things.

In all honesty, running an AEG "sniper" just requires good ammo, reasonable power, a tight barrel and a consistent hop. You're not overstressing the gearbox sub 380fps and well - as Manisus says its about being able to actually be stealthy - thats the biggest advantage a sniper has along with observation. The ability to place accurate shots at long range is just the icing on the cake

[Cadet Commissar]

Thanks pal, I think that just about answers all my Q's.

My turn for a few points tho, Converting one RIF into a Sci Fi RIF, while using either new materials, or a kit, IMO cant be classifed as "Manufacturing" as long as you use enough of the original you will be OK. Even if it is, surely airsofters will be privaledged with the "Deffence". Thats not official, Im no kind of lawyer etc, but that is how I reed it.

Now enough about RIF's and so forth, thats what the ASCUK is for.

[slimshady]

Seems I misunderstood your intent - I thought you were building from scratch

Anyway!! On with the rules discussion, feel free to throw me a PM or whatever for more specifics.

[cybersoldier]

Even if it does constitute manufacture it isn't illegal as long as you're a ligitimate skirmisher.

[slimshady]

It IS an offence - HOWEVER there is the defence that the UKARA worked for in that if you are an Airsoft Akirmisher and recognisable as such you may succesfully (we hope) defend yourself in court if pushed, and are able to provide credentials such as a Skirmish Site having you listed as a member.

However, for the purposes of the discussion about high-powered AEG's because of their place as Phy-reps then its unequivocal - above 1.35j and you're in the nuts ;p

[Cadet Commissar]

Not quite Cyber, it is still an offence to"Sell, Import or Manufacture" a RIF, but as part of the VCRA, certain groups(And this includes Airsoft Skirmishers, Re-enactors, Actors/Film&TV production types, Museums & Gallerys(But strangley not collectors)) get a "Legal deffence", which means if you can prove you will be using is as such you will be ok as far as prosicution is concerned.

Rather concerning though is that the police are reportedly "Raiding" private premises and confiscating Kit yet corner shops are still selling them to kits?

[cybersoldier]

I've spoken to legislative lawyers and they all agree that if you can prove you're a skirmisher (photographic or a skirmish diary is more than enough) then the law can't lay a finger on you
it just needs to be proven in court.

[Cadet Commissar]

Woooo Hooooo

[slimshady]

Thank god an Airsoft Organisation acheived something lol - even if its down to "Yes, its an offence but I have a Defence so get bent and leave my shooter alone".

[Cadet Commissar]

Gak mate, It might just be late night paranoia but dont suppose we could have that in wrighting could we?

[john]

"Fanning" a semi auto aeg has the risk of turning your gearbox into so much scrap metal. On the subject thouogh I have an SL9 and 2 gear boxes, I have no problem swapping gear boxes in around 5 minutes, it is probably the easiest swap out I've ever had on an AEG. Not to mention forcing a semi only on them is laughably easy (simple blocking plate taped onto the gear box) And settins a box up for 400 fps purely for use for this I would weld the cover plate in place.